Hi everyone,
I have a mouse model with a specific pathology (7 mice total). All 7 mice have gene expression data (Agilent). I would like to identify human patients who resemble the most like this mouse model in terms of gene expression. I have several human samples with gene expression (Illumina). I have two questions:
- How can I generate a "general gene signature" for the murine model with 7 mice?
- How can I test each human sample with this mouse signature? Importantly, how can I establish a threshold? Moreover, would different platforms cause problem?
I know that there must be some good tools out there (e.g. Bioconductor, Broad Institute...), but I am new with gene expression. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
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The likely simplest method is to use GSEA and MSigDB to try to define gene sets that are enriched in your pathological vs. control samples. You can then survey a diverse sampling of likely affected and unaffected patients and look for similar patterns (have a look at the distribution of enrichment scores for setting a threshold). With every new platform you'll be starting from scratch. Once you have some patient samples with one platform that you think are good examples of pathological/control, save them and run them on any new platforms.
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Ideally the distribution will be bimodal. If you do end up observing a normal distribution then either (A) none of the patient samples are pathological, (B) the mouse signature doesn't match what you should see in patients (it can happen), or (C) the pathological state represents the extreme of normal variance. Case (C) will be difficult to deal with since you'll need especially compelling clinical data to get anyone to believe that the top whatever percent are actually pathological.
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Did you at least run mice without the pathology on the same platform?
Hi!
Thank you for answering me back. I am not sure if it answers your question: my lab used Agilent for all mice (regardless of pathology). The human data comes from another lab.
Right, but do you literally only have data for the 7 pathological mice? Normally you would generate data for pathological and non-pathological mice so you can at least see how the pathological state might be changing things (otherwise, the generated "signature" is pretty useless). While you can probably download a similar non-pathological sample from GEO, you'd then have a batch effect to deal with.
Hi!
Sorry for the confusion. Yes, we do have gene expression for non-pathological mice (we have 4 mice). Thank you!